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Sunday, June 14

  1. msg Essay from Saskia and Jip message posted Essay from Saskia and Jip Multicultural society D5V1 – june 2009 Jip Bekkers & Saskia Bergmans Prologue: At the…
    Essay from Saskia and Jip

    Multicultural society
    D5V1 – june 2009
    Jip Bekkers & Saskia Bergmans


    Prologue:
    At the beginning of this trimester we heard that we had another exchange project however this time on the internet. The exchange would be together with a country far away from the Netherlands: Macedonia. What did we know about this country? Not much.. Soon we heard that our team members were Arif and Vladimir. What to expect from such Macedonian names? We started to get excited about the project.
    Our information in this essay is based on the results from the exchange with our teammates in Macedonia. We first started with some basic questions which we both answered. Furthermore we discussed the answers on these questions and asked for more information. This is how we worked towards this final result.
    Hopefully you will learn as much as we did!

    Subcultures:
    Teenagers of different subcultures do get along with each other in Macedonia. This is similar to the Netherlands. The biggest subcultures in Macedonia are Albanians (22,9%), Turkish people (4%) and Serbians (2%), together with some other smaller subcultures is this 33,5% of the whole population. The population of the Netherlands consists 19,2% immigrants. Turkish people (21,1%), Surinam’s (19,2%) and Moroccans (19%), are the biggest subcultures in the Netherlands. They do get along with each other but what about intercultural dating and marriage? The Macedonian students mentioned that this is not common and it does not happen very often. However, in the Netherlands is it different. Intercultural dating happens a lot and eventually they do marry with each other.
    In Macedonia intercultural marriages is very rare this because of the subcultures are more contradictory to each other. As do the education system which is still separated by language.

    Homosexuality and same-sex marriages:
    A big difference between Macedonia and the Netherlands is the acceptation of homosexuality and same-sex marriages. Common reactions of the Macedonians on the question ‘Do different ethnicities/religions accept homosexuality and for instance same-sex marriage?’ were negative. Most of the Macedonian students said that it is not accepted and normal in their country. Also a common reaction was ‘We can’t accept homosexuality because it seems strange for us.’ This is a really big contrast with the Netherlands. In the Netherlands accepts almost everyone homosexuality and same-sex marriages, they are legal. Of course also in the Netherlands live people who do not accept homosexuality most of them are extreme religious. However in generally homosexuality is normal and accepted in the Netherlands.

    Discrimination:
    Discrimination is a problem which every country has to deal with. In Macedonian and in the Netherlands also occurs discrimination. However, what is discrimination exactly? Discrimination is unfair treatment of a person or group based on prejudice. In every country we are, almost every day, faced with discrimination. This takes place in several ways. We have discussed three ways of discrimination. Discrimination in the media, stereotypes and different ethnic groups represented in government on several levels.
    Most of the Macedonian students said that none of the ethnic groups are presented in the media in a negative way. In Macedonia they have separated media; every big ethnic group (Macedonian, Albanian and Turkish) has his own media. However, some of the students have said that different ethnic political parties try to represent the other ethnical groups in a negative way. In this way the political parties try to convince the population of Macedonian to support their parties. Some of the ethnic groups in the Netherlands are represented in the media in a negative way. Turkish people and people from Morocco are mostly present in a negative way in the media. In particularly papers like ‘de Telegraaf’ or on commercial broadcast stations. This paper and those commercial broadcast stations bring the news more populist. If a Turkish boy robs a bank they will mention the ethnic background of the boy on the public broadcasting stations they would not mention this if it is not important for the incident. Some of the political parties in the Netherlands anticipate on the prejudices that some Dutch people have. For example, if a Muslim murdered someone those political parties will say ‘And again a Muslim’ ‘All the Muslims use violence so we have to be stricter for Muslims’. Their ideas will be spread by the media. Those extreme political parties use the incidents to generalize a whole ethnical group. Some Dutch citizens do change their minds on the subject.
    As well in the Netherlands as in Macedonia there exist stereotypes. The most common stereotypes in the Netherlands are; Belgians are stupid, Surinam people are lazy and Turkish and Moroccan people are criminals. The most common stereotypes in Macedonian are; Macedonians are lazy, Albanians are fast drivers, Turkish people smoke, Roma sing and lie all day and people from Serbia are warriors. Of course we all know that those stereotypes are not true, still stereotypes often form the basis of prejudice.
    Most of the Macedonian students react very different on the question: ‘Are the different ethnic groups represented equally in government on the several levels?’ Some of the Macedonian students said straight forward YES or NO. Most of them said it is not equal yet however, they say that the government is working on it. They also say that the biggest group in the government is the Macedonians because they represent the biggest part of the citizens. In the Netherlands different ethnic groups are almost equally represented in the government. However it can always improve in a positive way.

    Issues that different groups of immigrants have to face everyday:
    Comparing the Dutch economy with the Macedonian economy, you will see that Macedonia has a low level economy. The issues different groups of people face every day are a lot bigger in Macedonia. However, they are not based on the different ethnic groups. Most of the citizens of Macedonia face issues like unemployment and poverty. The unemployment percentage in Macedonia is 36%. In the Netherlands the unemployment percentage is not even 5%.
    In the Netherlands are these issues not as big as Macedonian people have to face every day. In the Netherlands the unemployment number is a lot lower than in Macedonian and even if you are unemployed in the Netherlands you can fall back on the social security system. This system prevent that the Dutch citizens will live in real poverty.
    Immigrants in the Netherlands face issues like more unemployment, discrimination (for instance when they will apply for a job) and lower classified jobs. The main reasons that immigrants get lower classified jobs are the language deficiency and the lack of a good education.

    Traditional culture:
    Macedonia has a big traditional culture, especially the traditional food, but lately people start slowly losing their tradition, for example they do not wear traditional clothes at weddings anymore or they do not eat only traditional homemade food. National holidays are still making a stand. Macedonians celebrate them in a good atmosphere.
    A tradition that Dutch people celebrate every year is called 'Sinterklaas'. It is a tradition where the Dutch celebrate the birthday of Sinterklaas. Kids get presents of Sinterklaas (actually from their parents). It is a celebration especially for younger children. Sinterklaas is on the 5th of December.
    Queensday is also a national tradition; it is a celebration of the birthday from the queen. On Queensday everyone wears orange clothes and there are all kinds of festivals, flea markets and artists are performing at many stages all over the country. We celebrate Queensday on the 30th of April. (the birthday of our former queen.) On Queensday everyone wears orange clothes.

    The education system:
    The education system in Macedonia is managed differently compared to the Netherlands. In Macedonia are all primary schools separated according to language. This means that there is a special school where they learn in Macedonian language, a special school where they learn in Turkish and also schools where they speak Albanians. The Macedonian students did mention that they do learn Macedonian language as a subject at every school, similar to our English lessons on primary school. In the Netherlands are primary schools separated according to religion for instance catholic schools, Christian schools or schools that hold the Islamic rules but also 7th Day Adventists do have their own schools. Separated from those schools are also public schools. These schools are not based on any religion.
    Our opinion mentioned that primary schools which are separated according to language are less successful for society. This because of schools where for instance only Albanians or Turkish people go to is not developing for multicultural society. They speak their own languages in class, the same language as they speak at home but eventually they have to speak fluently Macedonian, which is a second language for them. These kids are only known with their own ethnicity which means that the contrasts between ethnic groups in society are growing. However, you can say that the same effect exist at schools which are separated according to religion but this effect will be less than in Macedonia, because besides the schools that hold a religion (66,5%) there are also public schools (33,5%). Even at, for instance, catholic schools are children from different ethnic groups.

    Reflection of the exchange project:
    We really enjoyed this exchange project! First we were a little bit sceptical about the working of this project. However, it worked out very smoothly. Our Macedonian team mates were as anxious as we were which was very helpful for the whole project. This exchange project was very informative and we have learned a lot. First we did not know a thing about Macedonia. Now we can tell you everything about this interesting country!
    We recommend everyone to participate in a project like this. Especially because you get to hear personal information and opinions this makes the exchange more interesting. Such project is definitely for return accessible!
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Monday, June 8

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    8. Issues can be something like, employers have prejudices about immigrants and they do not always want to hire them. and so on...
    If you have any questions, please ask us.
    Reflection on the project:
    We liked the project, we learned a lot. We do recommend this project for future classes, but the project should not be planned at the end of the year because it gave a lot of pressur. The communication between the Macedonians and us was not always very good, we think that it very hard to work on something if the other side does not react fast enough. And that is why we also think that the project better works if is planned at the beginning of the year or later but not at the end of the year.

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    8. Issues can be something like, employers have prejudices about immigrants and they do not always want to hire them. and so on...
    If you have any questions, please ask us.
    Reflection on the project:
    We liked the project, we learned a lot. We do recommend this project for future classes, but the project should not be planned at the end of the year because it gave a lot of pressur. The communication between the Macedonians and us was not always very good, we think that it very hard to work on something if the other side does not react fast enough. And that is why we also think that the project better works if is planned at the beginning of the year or later but not at the end of the year.

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Sunday, June 7

  1. msg Some questions for you message posted Some questions for you I was on a trip with my school so i couldn't answer the questions .Sorry
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    I was on a trip with my school so i couldn't answer the questions .Sorry
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    Hi Im Enes and Im with you in the same group .I will try to answer all your questions and ask questinons of course.

    How I said here in Macedonia live Macedonain,Albanians,Turkish etc.
    Macedonia is a multicultural country. Every culture have their own special holidays and traditional clothing. I will try To tell you some of them.
    The Macedonians they have their special holidays like : 1.the day of the independence of Macedonia-this is the day when Macedonia won the independence and break off from Yugoslavia , and its on 08.09.1991 . I don’t know or better saying I can’t remember now because the law changed them this year we had 20 holidays per year now we have 40 holidays.
    The Albanians celebrate a lot of holidays .The most interesting of all is the religious holiday Ramadan This holiday is celebrated by all the Muslims in the world . We celebrate it for one month .This month while we are celebrating Ramadan we get-up every night on 3-4 o’clock. After we get-up we eat food and then after that we go to sleep again. Then next day we don’t eat all the day until evening. This holiday teaches people many things like: being generous and nice to people in need, help the poor and the sick, understand the poor, and many other things.
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    Hi Arta,

    I don't know if you'll read this because I have heard that you already have holiday. But something about queen's day:

    Queen's day isn't really the birthday of our queen Beatrix, who is actually birth on the 31st of January of 1938 (so she's 71 years old)but she celebrates it on the 30th of april, the birthday of Princess Juliana, queen Beatrix' mother. (When you're not a queen anymore you'll become a princess again). I know this sounds all very strange, and don't ask me why it is like this, I don't know either.
    Our queen has 3 sons who already have kids by them self: Prince Willem Alexander, Prince Friso and Prince Constantijn. Prince Willem Alexander is the eldest, so he is the crownprince. This means that he will be the next king.

    We are a kingdom since 1813 but the Netherlands exist much loner, before the Monarchy, we were a republic.

    Our queen doesn't do very much,she is there at official situations, but the parlaiment makes the important dicissions for us.

    We celebrate queens day with a free market: everyone can sell everything they like on the streets. Besides that, there are great parties in the big cities with lots of music.

    Why is everyone so happy at queen's day? Yeah that's a good question. I think we are just happy because of these activities.

Friday, June 5

  1. page Maxine edited Evaluation: We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with pe…
    Evaluation:
    We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with people from another country. It is good if you learn something about each other's culture and society. But, next time a few things has to be improved. The planning of this project wasn't very good, there wasn't a lot of time left when we heard what our assignement was. Also, a lot of Dutch students didn't get answers, we did, but for the people who didn't it was hard to do something with this project. The end assignement wasn't very clear, it is better if you know what you have to do exactly. And, with this project it is difficult to give a grade for all you have done, because, as said earlier, not everyone received answers.
    Although, things have to be improved this was fun to do and we've learned a lot. It's good if you answer questions about your own culture too because it makes you think about your own country and differences between other countries. Maybe there can be videoconferencing to motivate people who participate in the project. It is nice to see whom you are talking with. So, in the future this project is a good assignement for other classes, but the planning has to be improved.
    Greetings from Maxine and Rozemarijn

    1. Do teenagers of different subcultures get along with each other, what about intercultural dating and marriage?
    In general there are a lot of seperate groups, but we do get along with each other. You see for example people who are moroccan forming a group faster than a group that exists out of mixed ethnicities. We (Maxine and Rozemarijn) do have friends who have another ethnicity. So, it's normal if people from different subcultures date and marry each other. But, most people marry within their own subculture.
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  2. page Rozemarijn edited Evaluation: We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with pe…
    Evaluation:
    We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with people from another country. It is good if you learn something about each other's culture and society. But, next time a few things has to be improved. The planning of this project wasn't very good, there wasn't a lot of time left when we heard what our assignement was. Also, a lot of Dutch students didn't get answers, we did, but for the people who didn't it was hard to do something with this project. The end assignement wasn't very clear, it is better if you know what you have to do exactly. And, with this project it is difficult to give a grade for all you have done, because, as said earlier, not everyone received answers.
    Although, things have to be improved this was fun to do and we've learned a lot. It's good if you answer questions about your own culture too because it makes you think about your own country and differences between other countries. Maybe there can be videoconferencing to motivate people who participate in the project. It is nice to see whom you are talking with. So, in the future this project is a good assignement for other classes, but the planning has to be improved.
    Greetings from Maxine and Rozemarijn

    1. Do teenagers of different subcultures get along with each other, what about intercultural dating and marriage?
    In general there are a lot of seperate groups, but we do get along with each other. You see for example people who are moroccan forming a group faster than a group that exists out of mixed ethnicities. We (Maxine and Rozemarijn) do have friends who have another ethnicity. So, it's normal if people from different subcultures date and marry each other. But, most people marry within their own subculture.
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    8. What issues do different groups of people face everyday? (example: lower class, unemployed...etc)
    The ethnic groups face a lot of discrimination and prejudices. There aren't a lot of people who are extremely poor, we do have poor people but they get some money from the government. People who had low education or no education have a lot of trouble with getting a job, also ethnic groups like moroccans face difficulties with getting a job.
    Evaluation:
    We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with people from another country. It is good if you learn something about each other's culture and society. But, next time a few things has to be improved. The planning of this project wasn't very good, there wasn't a lot of time left when we heard what our assignement was. Also, a lot of Dutch students didn't get answers, we did, but for the people who didn't it was hard to do something with this project. The end assignement wasn't very clear, it is better if you know what you have to do exactly. And, with this project it is difficult to give a grade for all you have done, because, as said earlier, not everyone received answers.
    Although, things have to be improved this was fun to do and we've learned a lot. It's good if you answer questions about your own culture too because it makes you think about your own country and differences between other countries. Maybe there can be a videoconferencing to motivate people who participate in the project. It is nice to see whom you are talking with. So, in the future this project is a good assignement for other classes, but the planning has to be improved.
    Greetings from Maxine and Rozemarijn

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  3. page Rozemarijn edited ... We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with people from…
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    We think this project was a very good idea. It was interesting to communicate with people from another country. It is good if you learn something about each other's culture and society. But, next time a few things has to be improved. The planning of this project wasn't very good, there wasn't a lot of time left when we heard what our assignement was. Also, a lot of Dutch students didn't get answers, we did, but for the people who didn't it was hard to do something with this project. The end assignement wasn't very clear, it is better if you know what you have to do exactly. And, with this project it is difficult to give a grade for all you have done, because, as said earlier, not everyone received answers.
    Although, things have to be improved this was fun to do and we've learned a lot. It's good if you answer questions about your own culture too because it makes you think about your own country and differences between other countries. Maybe there can be a videoconferencing to motivate people who participate in the project. It is nice to see whom you are talking with. So, in the future this project is a good assignement for other classes, but the planning has to be improved.
    Greetings from Maxine and Rozemarijn
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    12:06 am

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